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| ===== Points of Divergence : Christianity ===== | ===== Points of Divergence : Christianity ===== | ||
| - | Christianity, the religion with the world's most followers, and a huge influence on Western Civilization. As such, the fact that PODs relating to it are popular should come as no surprise. Discussing them can be difficult however, as sometimes threads will get derailed by believers (saying things couldn't have been different) or skeptics (saying the whole thing is made up anyways). | + | Christianity is an Abrahamic faith related to [[jews and judaism|Judaism]] and [[islam_is_altered_or_absent|Islam]]. Founded as an offshoot of Judaism by the followers of Jesus Christ, Christianity was given a firmer organizational structure during late Roman times. Christianity spread from its earliest days mainly via missionary activity (though more heavy-handed pro-Christian rulers did advance/enforce it through conquest as well). Today, it is the world's most followed religion, and has had a huge influence on western civilization overall. As such, the fact that PODs relating to it are popular, should come as no surprise. |
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| + | This page lists links to discussions about various potential points of divergence in the religion's history - some more plausible, some more far-fetched, but all of them interesting options for alternate developments of Christianity and its interaction with other religions and predominantly non-Christian OTL cultures. | ||
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| ==== PODs about Jesus ==== | ==== PODs about Jesus ==== | ||
| - | **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=87071|No Jesus]]** | + | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=87071|No Jesus]]** |
| + | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=265184|WI Herod's men had caught the baby Jesus...]]** | ||
| + | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=75645|Jesus not crucified discussion n. 1]]** | ||
| + | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=65920|Jesus not crucified discussion n. 2]]** | ||
| + | * Know of any PODs or POD discussions ? Feel free to add them. | ||
| - | **Jesus not crucified** - [[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=75645|here]] and [[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=65920|here]] | + | ==== Pre-Nicene PODs ==== |
| + | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=49758|No Christianity]]** | ||
| + | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=65303|No St. Paul]]** | ||
| + | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=65679|Christianity stays within Judaism]]** | ||
| + | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=65679|WI the Apostolic Synod of 49 AD chose a different path ?]]** | ||
| + | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=256310|No Ireneaus of Lyon]]** | ||
| + | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=93959|The concept of the Trinity is not adopted]]** | ||
| + | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=25918|Different Biblical canons]]** | ||
| + | * **[[http://alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=271883|A Bible limited to the Gospels]]** | ||
| + | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=3096|Christianity is not made the official Roman religion]]** | ||
| + | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=263329|Plausibility check: Emperor Constantine unites the empire under Mithraism ?]]** | ||
| + | * Know of any PODs or POD discussions ? Feel free to add them. | ||
| + | ==== From Council of Nicaea to Reformation ==== | ||
| - | ==== Early Christian History PODs ==== | + | * **[[http://alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=95928|WI Julian the Apostate survived 1]]** |
| + | * **[[http://alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=64489|WI Julian the Apostate survived 2]]** | ||
| + | * **[[http://alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=176772|WI Julian the Apostate survived 3]]** | ||
| + | * **[[http://alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=211980|WI Julian the Apostate survived 4]]** | ||
| + | * **[[http://alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=233013|WI Julian the Apostate survived 5]]** | ||
| + | * **[[http://alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=262872|WI Julian the Apostate survived 6]]** | ||
| + | * **[[http://alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=277371|WI Julian the Apostate survived 7]]** | ||
| + | * **[[http://alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=177942|WI Julian the Apostate becomes a devout Christian]]** | ||
| + | * **[[http://alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=265235|Plausibility check: Roman paganism survives and thrives, the empire doesn't adopt Christianity]]** | ||
| + | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=92935|Celtic Church dominant in England]]** | ||
| + | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=58442|Muhammad is a Christian]]** | ||
| + | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=38348|Could Christianity have flourished without Islam ?]]** | ||
| + | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=262865|How to destroy the Papacy in the 11th Century ?]]** | ||
| + | * **[[http://alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=125502|WI the unique Conclave of 1417 became the norm of Papal elections ?]]** | ||
| + | * **[[http://alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=213715|WI: Hussites triumphant]]** | ||
| + | * **[[http://alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=88552|WI: Ottomans decide that the Greek Patriarchate stays abolished]]** | ||
| + | * Know of any PODs or POD discussions ? Feel free to add them. | ||
| - | **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=49758|No Christianity]]** | + | ==== Reformation PODs ==== |
| - | **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=65303|No St. Paul]]** | + | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=277535|WI: No Protestant Reformation In Europe]]** |
| + | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=27291|WI Catholic church reforms and the Reformation is avoided]]** | ||
| + | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=70452|No Reformation]]** | ||
| + | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=257531|Challenge: Protestant Reformation More-Or-Less Shatters Catholicism]]** | ||
| + | * **[[http://alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=196557|Pope Martin Luther]]** | ||
| + | * **[[http://alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=170897|St. Martin Luther]]** | ||
| + | * **[[http://alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=188575|Luther assassinated after 95 Theses]]** | ||
| + | * **[[http://alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=150304|Luther reforms the Roman Church 1]]** | ||
| + | * **[[http://alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=225914|Luther reforms the Roman Church 2]]** | ||
| + | * **[[http://alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=111856|Martin Luther burned for heresy 1]]** | ||
| + | * **[[http://alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=224324|Martin Luther burned for heresy 2]]** | ||
| + | * **[[http://alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=113378|Henry VIII converts to Lutheranism]]** | ||
| + | * **[[http://alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=190074|Lutheran England]]** | ||
| + | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=270864|WI: Pope Reginald Pole]]** | ||
| + | * **[[http://alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=130550|Protestant influence on Orthodoxy]]** | ||
| + | * Know of any PODs or POD discussions ? Feel free to add them. | ||
| - | **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=65679|Christianity stays within Judaism]]** | + | * //**[[timelines:A Dropped Pen]]**// - A TL using a simple POD where Luther stays a monk and the world sees a different reformation movement. |
| - | **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=3096|Not made official Roman religion]]** | + | ==== Post-Reformation PODs ==== |
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| - | **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=93959|Trinity not adopted]]** | + | |
| - | **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=25918|Different Biblical canons]]** | + | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=182139|WI: An Australian analogue of OTL Mormonism ?]]** |
| + | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=247562|Challenge: A Christian "Al-Qaeda"]]** | ||
| + | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=258814|Communism with Christianity ?]]** | ||
| + | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=235804|Challenge: Orthodox-phobia instead of Islamophobia]]** | ||
| + | * Know of any PODs or POD discussions ? Feel free to add them. | ||
| - | **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=58442|Muhammad is a Christian]]** | + | ==== OTL predominantly non-Christian countries and nations becoming mostly Christian ==== |
| - | **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=38348|Could Christianity have flourished without Islam ?]]** | + | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=253892|A Christian Morocco since the early centuries of Christianity]]** |
| + | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=272975|WI: Persia becomes Christian before Rome]]** | ||
| + | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=7738|WI a Christian saint converted Persia prior to the Arab conquests?]]** | ||
| + | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=56923|Discussion about Japan being converted to Catholicism]]** | ||
| + | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=1320|More discussion on a potentially Christianised Japan]]** | ||
| + | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=257394|What if Tokugawa Ieyasu converted to Christanity ?]]** | ||
| + | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=65562|Challenge: A predominantly Christian Arab state]]** | ||
| + | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=267408|Challenge: Orthodox conversion east of Rus]]** | ||
| + | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=260079|Challenge: Predominantly Orthodox Christian Magyars and Poles]]** | ||
| + | * Know of any PODs or POD discussions ? Feel free to add them. | ||
| - | ==== Later Christian History PODs ==== | + | ==== Various ==== |
| - | **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=92935|Celtic Church dominant in England]]** | + | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=54019|Largest possible monastic state ?]]** |
| + | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=266690|Challenge: Lutheran Austrian Habsburgs]]** | ||
| + | * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=265215|Christmas PODs]]** | ||
| + | * Know of any PODs or POD discussions ? Feel free to add them. | ||
| - | **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=70452|No Reformation]]** | + | ==== See Also ==== |
| - | **[[timelines:A Dropped Pen]]** - A TL using a simple POD where Luther stays a monk and the world sees a different reformation movement. | + | **[[religions|Religious Points of Divergence]]** |
| - | **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=247562|Challenge: A Christian "Al-Qaeda"]]** | + | **[[Islam is altered or absent|Points of Divergence concerning Islam]]** |
| - | ==== Various ==== | + | **[[jews and judaism|Points of Divergence concerning Judaism and Jews]]** |
| - | **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=54019|Largest possible monastic state ?]]** | + | **[[buddhism|Points of Divergence concerning Buddhism]]** |
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| - | ==== See Also ==== | + | **[[hinduism|Points of Divergence concerning Hinduism]]** |
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| + | **[[Various other religions|Points of Divergence concerning various other religions]]** | ||
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| + | **[[indigenous religions|Points of Divergence concerning indigenous religions]]** | ||
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| + | ==== Navigation ==== | ||
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